Transit compartment PK for absorption delay

Hi,

I am trying to build a transit compartment model to fit the plasma PK with two peaks especially at high dose groups. It is reported that transit compartment is a good choose. I add a transit statement. But unfortunately couldn’t fit data. No effect was observed when I tried to adjust mtt, ktr and ntr. Sounds like there is a glitch.

It will be appreciated if you can help in fitting the PK data to transit compartment model. I am attaching project file with existing mode for only high dose PK.

Thanks

Jian

7883 mouse PK transit compartment model.phxproj (794 KB)

i think it will be more informative if you fit all the data you have i.e. with the different dose levels. I will try to take a look at your project at the week end. Simon.

Had a quick look at your project file and looks like this is not a Transit model. I have attached a link to a YouTube/PML school on enterohepatic circulation and hope this should be useful for you. From the forum, you could download the PML code for your reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OGmiT0Z820

https://support.certara.com/forums/topic/990-lesson-7-enterohepatic-recirculation/

Thanks and regards

Chandramouli

Hi Jian,

Obviously wrong, you need to give At1 an initial value, which needs to be done through the dosepoint() statement.
like:
dosepoint(At1)

But in order to distinguish it from the original Aa and share the same total dose, you’d better add another bioavailability parameter F.
So:
dosepoint(Aa, bioavail = (f))
dosepoint(At1, bioavail = (1-f))
fixef(f = c(, 0.5, ))mouse PK_fyc.phxproj (3.83 MB)

Thanks Chanramouli for your feedback and forwarding PML code, Agree, enterohepatic re-circulation is an option for modeling this kind of double peak PK. I did create a model. It fit the data.

Thanks

Jian

Awesome!

Thank you so much for your help! Having two parts of dosepoint statement with bio-availability parameter makes much sense and is simple for transit compartment. Thanks for the coding as well.

Best,

Jian

Hi,

I tried to use this transit model to fit three dose PK. Sounds like model fit 100 mg and 200 mpk dose well, but not on 30 mpk. I did minor modification by adding saturable absorption and elimination based on attached paper. Author emphasized that this model can describe PK with late absorption peak at HIGHER doses (that is exactly my case here). But it is no significant improvement on my case. Model showed second peak on low dose 30 mpk. Paper and my project are attached. Do you have any suggestions?

Many thanks

Jian

Transit compartment model .phxproj (5.24 MB)Two absorption rates PK_1.pdf (808 KB)

Hi Jian,

a major problem with the models in your project file is that they have too many parameters, only a small fraction of the parameters seems to be identifiable. That is why I am thinking that the idea of a transit model does not fit here.

There is one additional alternative to the transit model that you are in favor of:

In one of our PML School we presented a scenario with sublingual dosing. At first sight, this might not be related to your model, however, it describes a similar scenario:

you have one immediate fast absorption

followed by slow absorption delayed by some time

Please see the link to our materials here:

https://support.certara.com/forums/topic/954-lesson-4-multiple-absorption-routes-via-graphical-model-builder/

I have adapted this model to your data, please see the additional object in the workflow called PK43:

mouse PK_43.phxproj (6.01 MB)

Let me know if there are questions or comments.

Bernd